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[讨论] 据说戴头盔比不戴头盔更危险,大家是怎么看的?

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发表于 2007-5-25 07:37 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |正序浏览 |阅读模式
美国一个小组进行研究,发现戴头盔容易使骑车者放松警惕,根据观察,戴头盔的骑士距离机动车更近,事故更多
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发表于 2007-5-28 20:03 | 只看该作者
那是米国,不是china
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

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    发表于 2007-5-28 19:47 | 只看该作者
    有些理论,看起来是很有道理的,而事实并不是这样,就像有些人,看起来是很“博学”的,而事实并不是如此一样。
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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    发表于 2007-5-28 19:41 | 只看该作者
    他进行了2500次试验,而不是文中简单描述的 “前一段路程,他没戴头盔却.......路程距离是相等的。 ”

    危险性的增加来源于机动车驾驶员,而不是车手。


    补充一下Dr Ian Walker的照片和测试车

    还有Dr Ian Walker的详细信息:



    1999-2000:德国马普学会(马克斯-普朗克研究所认知神经科学),莱比锡-读博士后

    1996-1999: 约克大学博士后研究(论文题目:"角色的语言处理机制,在言语短期记忆")

    1996-1999:约克大学-兼职教授

    2000年至今:巴斯大学,讲师,研究部主任,硕士导师
    电话:         01225 38 390801225383908
    传真:         01225 38 675201225386752
    E-mail:电子邮件:         .Walker@bath.ac.uk
    研究内容:交通心理学,计算模型,记忆,语言和阅读障碍

    查找了一下,发现他还写了不少关于自行车方面的论文。

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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    发表于 2007-5-28 19:33 | 只看该作者
    考完试了比较空。
    查了一下原文。嘿嘿。
    在巴士大学的网站上,比较全面、
    Wearing a helmet puts cyclists at risk, suggests research

    Bicyclists who wear protective helmets are more likely to be struck by passing vehicles, new research suggests.

    Drivers pass closer when overtaking cyclists wearing helmets than when overtaking bare-headed cyclists, increasing the risk of a collision, the research has found.

    Dr Ian Walker, a traffic psychologist from the University of Bath, used a bicycle fitted with a computer and an ultrasonic distance sensor to record data from over 2,500 overtaking motorists in Salisbury and Bristol.

    Dr Walker, who was struck by a bus and a truck in the course of the experiment, spent half the time wearing a cycle helmet and half the time bare-headed. He was wearing the helmet both times he was struck.

    He found that drivers were as much as twice as likely to get particularly close to the bicycle when he was wearing the helmet.

    Across the board, drivers passed an average of 8.5 cm (3 1/3 inches) closer with the helmet than without

    The research has been accepted for publication in the journal Accident Analysis & Prevention.

    “This study shows that when drivers overtake a cyclist, the margin for error they leave is affected by the cyclist’s appearance,” said Dr Walker, from the University’s Department of Psychology.

    “By leaving the cyclist less room, drivers reduce the safety margin that cyclists need to deal with obstacles in the road, such as drain covers and potholes, as well as the margin for error in their own judgements.

    “We know helmets are useful in low-speed falls, and so definitely good for children, but whether they offer any real protection to somebody struck by a car is very controversial.

    “Either way, this study suggests wearing a helmet might make a collision more likely in the first place.”

    Dr Walker suggests the reason drivers give less room to cyclists wearing helmets is down to how cyclists are perceived as a group.

    “We know from research that many drivers see cyclists as a separate subculture, to which they don’t belong,” said Dr Walker.

    “As a result they hold stereotyped ideas about cyclists, often judging all riders by the yardstick of the lycra-clad street-warrior.

    “This may lead drivers to believe cyclists with helmets are more serious, experienced and predictable than those without.

    “The idea that helmeted cyclists are more experienced and less likely to do something unexpected would explain why drivers leave less space when passing.

    “In reality, there is no real reason to believe someone with a helmet is any more experienced than someone without.

    “The best answer is for different types of road user to understand each other better.

    “Most adult cyclists know what it is like to drive a car, but relatively few motorists ride bicycles in traffic, and so don’t know the issues cyclists face.

    “There should definitely be more information on the needs of other road users when people learn to drive, and practical experience would be even better.

    “When people try cycling, they nearly always say it changes the way they treat other road users when they get back in their cars.”

    The study also found that large vehicles, such as buses and trucks, passed considerably closer when overtaking cyclists than cars.

    The average car passed 1.33 metres (4.4 feet) away from the bicycle, whereas the average truck got 19 centimetres (7.5 inches) closer and the average bus 23 centimetres (9 inches) closer.

    However, there was no evidence of 4x4s (SUVs) getting any closer than ordinary cars.

    Previously reported research from the project showed that drivers of white vans overtake cyclists an average 10 centimetres (4 inches) closer than car drivers.

    To test another theory, Dr Walker donned a long wig to see whether there was any difference in passing distance when drivers thought they were overtaking what appeared to be a female cyclist.

    Whilst wearing the wig, drivers gave him an average of 14 centimetres (5.5 inches) more space when passing.

    In future research, Dr Walker hopes to discover whether this was because female riders are seen as less predictable than male riders, or because women are not seen riding bicycles as often as men on the UK’s roads.
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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    发表于 2007-5-28 19:25 | 只看该作者
    不过说实话,国外科学研究的广泛性在我们没有接触过的情况下是我们所不能想象的。
    他们会很严谨的去研究一些我们看来很弱智的问题。
    例如怎样调出好吃的色拉酱,他们也可以做出长篇大论的科学研究。使用各种精密的仪器和实验方法。
    所以这也许就是我们之间科技发展的差距的原因了。
    对于这个带头盔的研究,倒是完全可能作为一篇心理学硕士研究生的毕业论文。要是我读心理学,多好的课题阿
    当然,不排除译文作为新闻转载的局限片面性造成曲解。
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    发表于 2007-5-28 18:48 | 只看该作者
    原帖由 刺蛇 于 2007-5-25 23:13 发表

    任何话题,你都可以扯上“反华”。你这种人是逢中必反。如果这个“专家”是中国人,我200%的肯定你会是另一番理论。可偏偏这个狗屁专家不是中国的,于是在你嘴里这个洋狗屁就比土狗屁好了“5倍”。还扯什么“ ...


             
    当然是自己的好啦,人是自己的好,孩子是自己的好(老婆除外 ),公司是自己的好(老板除外 ),土狗屁比洋狗屁好,一切都是自己的好么,连王婆都说自己的瓜比人家的好5倍 :lol

    请问世界上存不存在客观标准、普世原则啊???
             

    在这个国家什么都有证的,
    中国人暂住在中国,有暂住证;
    生孩子,有准生证(一不小心怀上了,还要流出来刮下来就是不能生下来!);
    嘿咻,还有做爱证(稍微大点的都知道,早几年还有严禁非法同居的公安标语;二十多年前你要是多找了几个女朋友,就会构成流氓罪,坐牢!!甚至杀头!!!不信问问你长辈82严打是怎么回事);
    至于专家证,看看人事部专家司(现在还升格了)的职能就明白了:“承担外国专家身份的确认并出具职业签证许可等事宜。”

    不懂没有关系,多动动脑子,多独立思考,多问问几个为什么,多问问长辈(他们都是历史见证人,我在陕北甚至向老农请教过60多年前的历史),兼听则明………………
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    [LV.8]以坛为家I

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    发表于 2007-5-27 15:29 | 只看该作者
    反正戴头盔是没错的。。。。
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

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    发表于 2007-5-27 15:27 | 只看该作者
    专家就是这样,今天说隔夜茶有营养,明天说隔夜茶有毒
    专家就是想引人眼球
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    发表于 2007-5-27 14:24 | 只看该作者
      额
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    [LV.2]偶尔看看I

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    发表于 2007-5-26 19:49 | 只看该作者
    你在冲山时,是戴头盔危险,还是不戴头盔危险
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    发表于 2007-5-26 13:06 | 只看该作者
    凡是注意安全为上.
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